The Rational Basis® of Happiness Podcast

Summary

A candid and emotional conversation about honesty, guilt, and intimacy in marriage. This episode explores the struggle to stop lying to a spouse about private self-pleasure and the deeper issues of shame, trust, and self-acceptance that come with it.


Transcript

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Tim, you're having some difficulty in your marriage. Tim, hello, hi. Tim, you're having some difficulty in your marriage. Yeah, you've got the kids there.

Sorry about this. No, that's okay. I just want to get away from the kid. That's all, yeah, that makes sense.

So, um, yeah, for some reason, I don't know why, but I'm lying to my wife, and it's not about big stuff, just small stuff that she says she doesn't really care about. Okay? And I can't, I don't know why. It's ruining my relationship, and even when she confronts me with it, I still, until she backs me in the corner, then that's when I give it up, like I told you. What I mean. Okay, you give me one example of something?I'm assuming you're not having an affair.

No, no, no, no, no, not big stuff. So give me one or two examples of what you're lying about.

Well, kind of embarrassing, but there was one time, like I told her, she meant everything to me. I didn't need to do anything. And then one day I masturbated, and I said I didn't need to do that. And I did it, and she found out, and she got mad at me.

And then another one I?we're having, I'm having troubles getting an erection, yeah, so I went out and I got some Cialis, and I didn't tell her, yeah, and she found out about it, and I hid it from her, and she got mad about that.

Is it all related to romance, to sex, to intimacy?

Um, no, give me an example that's totally not romance, because that puts it in a different category for me.

Yeah, but it's only been since I've been with her one time I was gonna meet her for lunch, yeah, and my friend came over, and I told you couldn't meet her for lunch, and she got mad.

Okay, so it does extend beyond the intimacy. Okay, with the intimacy? If you're feeling like you need to impress her, then it's, you know, it's not easy, especially for men, to know how to manage a sexual relationship when they might need a little help from Cialis, or when they have a difference in frequency?they're turned on more than women, and that's typical. It doesn't go across the board. You can always find exceptions to the rule.

But is it okay to self-pleasure? And I would say that that's a conversation that would be well worth both of you having. Is it okay to self-pleasure, or is that cheating on one another?

Now, she said, it's all right, but I just, I just don't?I'm not forthcoming about it, you know.

I'm, oh, so she?I think, I think I'm more embarrassed I did it, okay, so I knew it would hurt her, because I told her I didn't need to do that. You know what I mean?

Okay, so you over-promised, it's right, yeah.

Tim, it sounds like if this is a learning curve, how long have you been married?

We've been married five years, five years.

Okay? And it's a learning curve that if there's so much unearned guilt tied around sex, people make themselves feel guilty about everything, and some things they need to feel guilty about, but some things, like self-pleasuring, assuming you're not doing it to child porn or something, it's not a problem.

No, when I'm doing it, I do it. I?you do a picture of her?

Oh, that's interesting. Well, if you invite her in, if she's given you the okay that it's okay, then you need to make peace with yourself that it's okay to self-pleasure, to enjoy the wonderful feelings that you can give yourself, and work with her. It's hard for couples to be openly forthcoming. I've dealt with couples who've been married for decades, and they're still dealing with what you're dealing with because they haven't had the conversation.

So you guys have an opportunity fairly early on in your relationship to talk about what's okay and how. When you feel embarrassed, that's a cue for you to say, coach yourself gently. Be careful to tell her the truth. You don't want to lie. So if embarrassment for you triggers lying, then be aware that that emotion can?now you have an alternative, which is, okay, I'm feeling the urge. I'm feeling embarrassed. That must mean I'm feeling a little bit of that urge to conceal, to hide, to lie, to fib, to jury-rig things. Let me turn it around and just tell her the truth, and then you can rehearse it in your own mind. Don't?if you're going to tell someone the truth, don't.

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Huh? The Selfish path to romance, that is interesting.

If you're going to tell someone the truth, don't tell them a partial truth.

Yeah, see, that's the problem. I do tell her, and then I do tell her half-truth, okay? And she keeps asking questions, and I try to avoid that, right?

And you're looking to rebuild trust. So train your mind. It's with?you, within you. To train your mind that a partial?I've had couples that come in, and the husband will say, I've had three affairs, or five affairs, and he tells the wife about one of them, and it's like, well, the problem still remains, because she's gonna know that you're acting funny. You've never come clean. If you're going to come clean, come clean.

Yeah, that's what she says, yeah. So she does tell me that, okay, but even when she, like, confronts me right out, I still don't. And then she was like, oh, really. And then, you know, she's upset, really upset, like she's on the verge of saying, that's it. That's it. It's over.

So you need to rebuild the trust with her and with your friends. If you're trying to have some private time, ask her about private time for both of you, and you need to negotiate that in the relationship. I don't mean a heavy sit-down negotiation. I mean, we both?it's good in a relationship to have private time, free for one another, assuming it's not with another partner. So you want to just sit down with her and say, listen, there are times I like being with my buddies, and she might feel real resentful with the kids, and that might bring up other issues if she feels like the weight is on her, because the big?the big word, if I had a four-letter word for a relationship, is F-A-I-R, to have things feel fair for both of you, the division of labor, okay, meaning, you know, sharing the amount of responsibility with the kids, with whatever household work needs to be done, with the income.

Yeah, that's, that's not the problem. That's all good. Like, we have, like, we've, we both been married before. This is our second time. Okay, we both have two kids.

Okay, let me recommend a book to you, because we're right at the end of time here. I know you didn't have a fair, but you're trying to rebuild the trust with her. And the book is After the Affair: Healing the Pain and Rebuilding Trust. When a partner has been?it says unfaithful but has lied, healing. It's After the Affair. Is the name. You can get it on my website, Dr kenner.com, and I want to thank you for the call. We're right at the end here.

And here's a little more from Dr. Kenner:

I don't actually date a whole lot lately. Why not? Well, when I'm with a boy, like, it's hard for me to say anything cool or witty at all. I can usually make a few vowel sounds, and then I have to go away.

It's not that bad.

No, it is. I think boys are more interested in a girl who can talk.

And that's true. Any of us are more interested in somebody who feels relaxed and is able to speak their mind openly, clearly. But that's not easy. I mean, many of us, especially when you have a high value at stake, like a potential romantic partner, freezes up. We paralyze, and we don't know what to say, and we then flood our minds with thoughts like, what should I say? What does he want to hear? What will impress him? And that works against you.

You want to be able to say, what am I interested in? What piques my curiosity about him? What would I like to learn about him? What would I like him to know about me? That's a much more gentle approach to yourself in a dating situation or in any situation.

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